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hey everyone welcome to ufo hub live

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stream today's guest is going to be nick

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pope he's also a speaker at the ozark

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mountain ufo conference that's coming up

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in april uh april 8th to 9th in eureka

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springs arkansas and

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right before we

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started the show nick was actually

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asking about it just to confirm one more

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time but the show will be held in person

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uh 100

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unless something else happens that

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obviously is unforeseen

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everything has been scheduled confirmed

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with the hotel

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t-shirts made we are good to go so

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and obviously tickets are available as

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well for those who are interested to

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attend and

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you certainly will be meeting nick there

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as well so it's definitely a good reason

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to purchase tickets and

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be be present in eureka

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what i have in the description below is

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the links for the registration but also

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any

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has are also available

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the links are available in description

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below for you to check out and i

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certainly always encourage

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my viewers to check those out nick has a

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lot of information to share and

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you'll be remissed not to check it out

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yourself

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and also

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i have two tickets that are available

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that i will be doing for you sort of a

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ufo hub giveaway so in the comment

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section if um if if you comment in any

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of the videos leading up to march 9th

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simply with a some kind of message and a

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hashtag

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on march 9th i will be using a algorithm

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that will randomly pick a comment and

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basically award the tickets to that

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person so at least along with the hotel

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room and how to get there you would not

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have to worry about two tickets that

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will be yours so i hope you take

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advantage of that as well

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uh so with any of any of that out of the

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way let me

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let me then uh bring in nick here real

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so nick welcome how are you

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i'm great thank you very much uh good to

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reconnect with you and very much looking

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forward to the ozark mountain conference

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in person i will

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see everyone there and look forward to

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meeting some old friends reconnecting

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and meeting some new ones

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too so and uh hello to everyone joining

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us for this interview

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uh certainly i'm really looking forward

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to it too especially because i used to

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this is kind of a format that i'm

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changing out uh i'm just maybe i'm

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getting older maybe i'm just getting

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lazier but uh how i used to usually do

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the interviews in person in the hotel

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room i will probably not do those

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anymore just because of i don't know

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it's just a lot to set up you know

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setting up that you've seen that the

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whole it's all one-man show with the

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whole setup and i kind of like this

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ahead of time so that way get the

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interview out of the way uh people learn

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a little a little bit more about the

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upcoming guest and so that way it's just

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a lot easier on me but at least this

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gives me a lot more time to chat up with

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people so i'm sure you know i'll run

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into you and say hello

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sure look forward to it

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all right so uh we will be later on uh

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we'll have nick for about an hour so uh

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when it's time for q a uh you can uh

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link in the description for the

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ufo hub telegram

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voice chat and you can listen and that's

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also where you can join to ask a

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question of nick directly if you are

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kind of shy that's all right in the

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description in the uh comment section uh

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in youtube and on twitch you can simply

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just submit your question using uh three

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i'm asking you to do that because then

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it pops out at me and kind of

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distinguish itself from a question as

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opposed to just a regular chatter

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so i guess uh nick what i wanted to

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specifically ask and for those that are

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like i was saying that i don't know how

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it's possible that are new to you if you

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could please go a little bit into your

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how you came to do what you do

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by chance i was a civilian employee for

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ministry of defense which is

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the uk's equivalent of the dod

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duties included researching and

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investigating the ufo phenomenon and

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determine whether there was evidence of

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of any potential threat to the uk or

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that was my job and obviously when i was

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doing that it was not something i was

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able to talk about but in subsequent

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years the ministry of defense

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course many of which i

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so uh my my name

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is out there and and because this is

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declassified or a lot of it is

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that part of it i'm now able to speak

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about so i do so and i now that i've

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taken early retirement from the ministry

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of defense i

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broadcaster and and see myself as i

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suppose something of a communicator

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on this subject whether i'm doing uh

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bulletins whether i'm doing

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tv documentaries chat shows

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whatever my my job is really to

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sort of say to people to facilitate a

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conversation on this and and to say look

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whatever you believe

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about this subject those of us who've

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uh nick i wanted to ask you then a

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little bit um i guess from on the united

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states side about the hr 4350 and i

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ask you what your thoughts are on that

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but before we do just uh just a quick

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are you still restricted on what you can

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fully cover based on the work you've

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no the uk's official secrets act is

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binding for life so the fact that i've

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mean that the restrictions on me have

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have ended i mean in a nutshell the

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simple way of putting this is that that

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release any classified information

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without without authorization and uh

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occasions on which classified

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usually has to be declassified first so

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we'll work work with that

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okay well that's good to know so that

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that way we know that uh you know at

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least on my end asking questions not to

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overstep any boundaries it's like you

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know if i want to get you in trouble if

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i don't have to

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no it's difficult it's difficult but the

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responsibility is mine if we hit

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something which does

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to decline to answer so so it's it's all

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okay good deal so if so a little bit

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because i didn't know exactly what i'm

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the president but you were saying that

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he has already done so can can you

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just speak a little bit about that bill

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there have been a series of classified

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involved obviously have been the armed

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uh or committees rather and and the

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intelligence committees and we've had a

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but i think what i would say to people

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is the big outcome of all this is that

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multiple ufo related provisions

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went into the national defense

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authorization act for fiscal year 2022

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and the president has already signed

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that so so this is a done deal

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and what this what this does

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things that that were going on between

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the pentagon and

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congress and it it essentially

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that both congress and the pentagon are

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with the intelligence community and with

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parts of the scientific community too

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and are really going to grip this issue

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and try to get to the bottom of

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what is going on in united states

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airspace both both

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over the continental united states and

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with these

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these sightings that have been going on

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offshore involving elements of the us

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about that section there was there was a

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part in there where they would also you

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know they're talking about collecting uh

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data um having more of a centralized way

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of just um uh being able to analyze

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everything that's coming in but there

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was one specifically where they were

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to study the effects of uap on i guess

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very interesting that was it's very very

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forward right because i mean it's this

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you know what is this you know yadda

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yadda but to kind of have that also

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incorporated in that i it was kind of

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interesting you have anything to say

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regarding that

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yes i i mean this when news first broke

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about the existence of the pentagon's

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atip

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program when the new new york times put

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that story on

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on the front page in december 2017

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obviously a lot of people in congress

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said wait a minute you told us you

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weren't looking at any of this now we

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learned there's a program what's going

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on

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2018

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the defense intelligence agency wrote to

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congress and said you've asked us about

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atip uh this is what we were doing and

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attached to the letter was a list of 38

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studies

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that they'd done and a lot of those

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studies were highly technical

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advanced theoretical physics concepts

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that you would need for for interstellar

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travel but some some of them did relate

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to to human interface so

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uh field effects on on humans and yeah

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absolutely it's not just lights in the

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sky people are

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reporting close encounters some of these

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ufos or uap whatever terminology you

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want to use

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are coming close to people

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and and therefore the government the

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military the intelligence community is

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entitled to ask

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well

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we've heard stories for example about

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ufos

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emitting electromagnetic fields that can

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have an effect on a car engine

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what are the effects on people let's at

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least look at it so as you say what's

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gone what's gone into the legislation is

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basically

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let's let's ask those questions and

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let's try to find out

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so nick i've seen you speak on a lot of

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the different mainstream uh media

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platforms and

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you know even though you're just being

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interviewed um maybe just right before

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it starts you know maybe after there's

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always you know there's always some kind

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of interaction conversation you know at

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one point or another so what is what is

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your main feel about this is mainstream

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kind of finally catching on to this that

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there's more there and it's not just

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something we snickered at what is your

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impression regarding that

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my impression is that things are

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changing for the better the last four

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years has been

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quite a ride and

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i have sometimes used the phrase out of

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the fringe and into the mainstream and

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that's exactly what's happened to this

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topic

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gone are the days when the only mention

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of this

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was in the tabloids

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you're now just as likely to find this

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discussed in the new york times the

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washington post

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politico

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and when it is discussed

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increasingly we're finding the

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journalists who are finding you know

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being told to write up these stories

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are are journalists whose beat

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is defense and national security so it's

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been quite a learning curve for them but

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yeah i i think there's a whole bunch of

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journalists and broadcasters too out

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there

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who are saying to themselves now wait a

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minute we we were told that this was all

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just crazy conspiracy theory

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fringe sci-fi nonsense and now we're

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learning that the government had

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programs

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congress is looking at this classified

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briefings it's in the new defense bill

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so it's been quite a learning curve for

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them that's not to say that from time to

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time of course there will be people that

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still

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some stigma i mean

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but this is a story with an 80-year back

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story and so there's a lot there's a lot

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for people to learn and and it's quite a

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culture shock for some of them but we're

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getting there a lot of progress

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so

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do you do you think this will continue

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sort of to be

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looked at in this curious way or um you

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know i hate to kind of do this

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prediction but

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in the ufo community there's always you

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know for those that are

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i guess

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really into ufos and already kind of

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gone beyond where mainstream media was

401
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still hasn't even looked at like

402
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eventual content and things like that

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their main fear is that this is not that

404
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this is going to be you used as some

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sort of a um rally point to like let's

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say start another it's your defense

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program or to make this into something

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negative you know like over like

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martians attack you know and things like

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that do you think it will not go that

411
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direction and be more on these okay

412
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let's just be curious what is this and

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let's do everything we can to find out

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well congress has said to the pentagon

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that they want regular reports on this

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so as you know in

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june of last year

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there was a preliminary assessment of

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the ufo phenomenon delivered by the

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office of the director of national

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intelligence and uh there's been at

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least one

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and there was a nine page unclassified

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summary that they put on their website

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which which i suspect that uh most

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people watching this have read if you

427
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haven't go and read it now but

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uh congress has had at least one further

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report

430
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that has not been um

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the subject of an unclassified summary

432
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and they will get

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they they what we think we're gonna get

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is regular reports to congress which

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will be classified

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including one annual unclassified report

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that will be released to the public and

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i i think it's up to congress

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to

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keep their foot on the gas

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and to hold

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the military and the

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the intelligence community to account

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on this

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issue and to say i mean they they say

446
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what must go into these reports for sure

447
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so it's it's up to these various uh

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senators and congressional

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representatives to to make sure that

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that is delivered and if they're not

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satisfied it they must go back and say

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so

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but ultimately we mustn't forget that

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this subject

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is events led

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so

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we don't know what's going to come

458
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suddenly and unexpectedly that's going

459
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to i don't know blow this

460
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wide open and take things down a

461
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different path who knows but uh yeah i

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get i get that a lot of people in the

463
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ufo community are

464
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cautious about this and say well we've

465
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seen this before and isn't it

466
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they're gonna hide all the good stuff

467
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and and as you say there are conspiracy

468
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theories floating around that this is

469
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just another way of ramping up the

470
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threat narrative and the media ramping

471
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up the fear i've been accused of that

472
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myself you know i'm sure there'll be

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something about that in the q a there

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usually is but um you know it is what it

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is and we have to we have to see see

476
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where we go with this but i think we are

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we're on a

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a journey

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with this and we're in a much better

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position than we were four years ago and

481
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that's that's progress

482
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nick uh what sort of uh

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what sort of is the atmosphere of let's

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say

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you would obviously be more exposed to

486
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these different type of people that i

487
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wouldn't be um and kind of seeing what

488
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their mindset is do they go and jump to

489
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that um make that jump that this is also

490
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extraterrestrial meaning there's aliens

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manning these different uh aircraft or

492
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is it still just always staying in that

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realm of uh just lights in the sky we

494
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don't know who's who's flying these

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well i think if you look at the wording

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for example of the preliminary

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assessment that that i mentioned a few

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moments ago from odni

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they of course were very cautious in

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their wording um when they categorized

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ufos for example i mean the word

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extraterrestrial did not appear once in

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that report even even as a hypothesis

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let alone as anything that that was

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treated as a serious possibility now

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implicitly it's in there

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under

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the the heading of other

509
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but i think that what i would say to

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people about this is is that

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in government

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in military in the intelligence

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community just as in

514
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society more generally there are

515
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believers there are skeptics and there

516
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are people in the middle it's just that

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the believers

518
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don't yet quite have enough

519
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of a a say in this

520
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to put the word extraterrestrial firmly

521
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into

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any of these documents even as i say as

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a a possibility so

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there's something

525
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as there always has been but it's it's

526
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perhaps coming to a bit of a head now

527
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there's there's something of a factional

528
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dog fight

529
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going on over this issue inside

530
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government with with believers and

531
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skeptics kind of

532
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jockeying for position

533
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on this struggling for control of the

534
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narrative and that's i don't know how

535
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that's going to play out

536
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that but it is playing out

537
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when um the hr 4350 first came out

538
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obviously luis alessandro and another

539
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:02,159
person i don't know never heard of them

540
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before but they were kind of doing this

541
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video to make an announcement about

542
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about it and about that specific uap

543
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section in it and in there

544
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luis said something about you know this

545
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is because of all that you're doing you

546
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know all the people have been pushing on

547
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on that dead end to

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um

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for i guess the senators and everyone

550
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else to kind of take this a little bit

551
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more seriously so if they

552
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if it is true that it's

553
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through the people's way of pushing and

554
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:31,520
making this happen what else can you

555
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possibly see

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us do to then push this even further

557
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than what it is right now to you know

558
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make it make it uh you know even more so

559
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mainstream than what it already is

560
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well former

561
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uh

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intelligence officer luis elizondo and

563
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uh former

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deputy director of security and and

565
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:57,360
intelligence christopher mellon

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have have done

567
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:01,280
a phenomenal amount to

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to move the ball down the field when it

569
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:06,320
comes to this subject being taken

570
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:09,120
seriously uh some of what they've done

571
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:11,440
obviously has has been through the lens

572
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:14,880
of of media interviews but also i know

573
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:16,240
that they've been

574
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:20,000
uh lobbying on the hill for example

575
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:23,360
and and i i'm sure that that being who

576
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:25,600
they are and being connected to some of

577
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,760
the players that that they're still

578
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:29,520
obviously connected with they've they've

579
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:33,760
gotten access to to a number of senators

580
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:35,760
on this and and uh

581
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:38,000
helping with this behind the scenes but

582
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:40,159
i think i think as always it comes down

583
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:42,240
to you know senators

584
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,880
senators and and other congressional

585
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:46,559
representatives are only going to get

586
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:48,960
involved in this subject for one of two

587
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:51,360
reasons either

588
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:52,240
one

589
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:54,960
they have a pre-existing

590
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:56,320
interest

591
00:24:02,950 --> 00:23:59,679
in this this topic or something happens

592
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:02,960
that interests them and two

593
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:05,600
and this speaks to your question two

594
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:08,400
they they get a lot of emails

595
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:11,120
from it about from you know from their

596
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:13,600
constituents so i think i think the

597
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:16,000
answer to your question is as always

598
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:17,440
activism

599
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:19,840
if there's a ground swell

600
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:21,279
of people

601
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:24,400
contacting their elected representatives

602
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:25,679
saying

603
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,159
please i've seen these provisions in the

604
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,720
new defense bill please take an interest

605
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:32,880
in this please continue to hold them to

606
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:33,919
account

607
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:35,679
then political

608
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,039
leaders will say wait yeah i i

609
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:41,279
am sensing that there is a

610
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:44,320
a groundswell of interest

611
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:46,080
in this from people just as there's

612
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:47,840
interest in all the other

613
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:49,919
big issues that people contact their

614
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:52,400
elected representatives about whether

615
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:55,520
it's social security um whether it's

616
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:56,559
it's

617
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,240
immigration matters health care

618
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:02,320
veterans

619
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:05,360
issues pensions whatever it is yeah so

620
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:07,279
so the answer to your question is is

621
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,269
so uh nick what i wanted to ask um

622
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:17,919
and of course now i draw a total blank

623
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:19,520
i had the question right there and then

624
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:20,480
it left

625
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:25,750
i can't believe i forgot about it well

626
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:33,510
uh specifically about oh okay i remember

627
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,480
now so

628
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:36,640
uh regarding documents and things that

629
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:38,720
they were released um

630
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:40,880
i kind of hate to frame it in this way

631
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:41,600
but

632
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:42,960
so for example

633
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:45,840
england has released long time ago lots

634
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:48,400
of files mexico some other countries so

635
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:50,559
what they have um there was of course

636
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:52,240
then the vault

637
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:55,120
from the fbi i believe a few years back

638
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,720
and they released a whole bunch of files

639
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:58,159
that people can then search here in the

640
00:26:02,470 --> 00:26:00,720
united states but it's just my

641
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:02,480
impression and i don't know what your

642
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,000
thoughts are on this it's almost like

643
00:26:08,789 --> 00:26:06,720
everyone is waiting for for the united

644
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:08,799
states and specifically the whatever you

645
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:10,400
consider the mainstream

646
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,799
to get on the ball of this to then the

647
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:15,120
rest of the world go okay let's just go

648
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,960
let's go with it it's almost like they

649
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:18,559
can be talking about ufos but if the

650
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:20,320
united states is not recognizing that

651
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,480
they they think okay well maybe it's not

652
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:24,559
time you know so what i'm saying is it

653
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:26,480
seems like that it's the united states

654
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:28,960
it's kind of like the setter of what's

655
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:32,400
current you know and um uh if i'm wrong

656
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:33,840
in that please do correct me but it's

657
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:35,440
just my impression on that do you have

658
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:38,320
anything to say about that

659
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:40,320
well you're you're quite right i mean

660
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:42,000
the united kingdom

661
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:42,880
has

662
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:46,080
declassified and released about 60 000

663
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,919
pages of

664
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:50,080
documents on ufos

665
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:52,799
many of which i wrote actually so

666
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:55,120
so that's that's been a bit of a blast

667
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:57,279
from the past many other nations too but

668
00:27:02,470 --> 00:26:59,760
yes absolutely the current focus is on

669
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,480
what the united states is doing

670
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,400
historically a lot of

671
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:06,880
documents have have

672
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:09,360
come out there and as you say there are

673
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:10,640
various

674
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:14,640
released a lot of of

675
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:17,760
this material uh civilian researchers

676
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:21,039
such as john greenwald have have done a

677
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:24,159
superb job of trying to collate a lot of

678
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:26,320
the most interesting ufo-related

679
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:29,919
documents from multiple agencies

680
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:31,760
and he's put a lot of those on his black

681
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:34,240
vault website there are many other

682
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:35,520
people

683
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:38,559
actively making freedom of information

684
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:40,720
act requests for this

685
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:42,880
i understand

686
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:44,799
for example that literally in the next

687
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:47,039
few weeks the defense intelligence

688
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,080
agency is going to release more

689
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:52,799
documents related to

690
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,000
the atip

691
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:56,559
program and the associated or sap

692
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:59,279
contract that's going to go into their

693
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:00,960
electronic

694
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:03,760
freedom of information reading room

695
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:04,640
um

696
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:06,080
so so

697
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:07,600
there's already a lot out there but

698
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:10,799
there's more to come for sure and

699
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:12,640
of course

700
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:15,440
for the last four years

701
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,399
when when

702
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:18,240
the new york times

703
00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:21,039
broke the story of of atip and the

704
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,840
related story of these these u.s navy

705
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:25,679
videos

706
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:28,799
journalists researchers

707
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:31,440
have been putting in

708
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:33,679
multiple freedom of information act

709
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:36,080
requests and a lot of those have piled

710
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:37,919
up and there's been and some of them

711
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:40,799
have taken years and and eventually all

712
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:43,520
this is going to come out and and

713
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:45,840
of course a lot of it will be redacted a

714
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:47,600
lot of it will be exempt under all the

715
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:48,559
usual

716
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:51,279
uh defense and national security and

717
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:52,880
intelligence

718
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,279
exemptions and some other ones too but

719
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:57,600
we we will get more than we currently

720
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:59,440
have which is always a good

721
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:01,039
good thing so

722
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:03,440
watch what happens over the next few

723
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:07,039
weeks hopefully even before the the

724
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:09,360
ozark mountain ufo conference i hope

725
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:13,120
it'll happen before then um and and

726
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:16,000
yeah as i say dia

727
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:19,120
but dia is not the only agency that has

728
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:20,399
received

729
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:21,760
requests under the freedom of

730
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:24,559
information act so so there'll be other

731
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:27,120
other people

732
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:29,840
declassifying material too like i say a

733
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:31,919
lot of a lot of the people handling this

734
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:34,480
in government have had a very very busy

735
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:36,399
four years and

736
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:39,679
and a lot of people are owed responses

737
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:41,919
and some of this as i say is is

738
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:43,520
literally going to come out in the next

739
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:50,070
so nick earlier as you mentioned about

740
00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:52,080
um

741
00:30:02,310 --> 00:29:52,840
i

742
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:02,320
they call them now um one major part of

743
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:04,960
everything regarding ufos since the

744
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:09,120
beginning of this has always been the um

745
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:12,720
factual slash conspiratorial you know

746
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:15,120
aspect of abductions

747
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:16,960
and people that claim to have had

748
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:19,120
contact with different alien groups and

749
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:21,039
all these other things out there

750
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:22,880
sooner or later the the way the

751
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:24,640
government's approaching this and that

752
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:26,559
group they're going to collide how do

753
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:28,880
you how do you see this playing out you

754
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:30,559
know will the government kind of start

755
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:32,399
looking into these different abduction

756
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:35,360
stories or will they just kind of try to

757
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:39,039
push that back as far as they can

758
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:40,720
i think they'll try and push it back

759
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:42,559
because it's

760
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:45,200
one thing to talk about

761
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:48,480
uh us navy pilots

762
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:51,200
seeing something and simultaneously

763
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:55,039
tracking it on radar and simultaneously

764
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:57,440
filming it on ford looking infrared

765
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:58,559
camera

766
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:00,080
and it's one thing

767
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:04,480
for senators to to ask questions like do

768
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:06,799
we have satellite imagery

769
00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:08,640
of of any of this

770
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:11,919
that's kind of easy to do

771
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:14,720
because however much

772
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:16,720
this topic has been stigmatized

773
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:19,840
previously those are clear

774
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,480
national security questions and you

775
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:24,640
sound if you're a senator and you ask

776
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:26,080
those questions

777
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:28,000
they're perfectly reasonable questions

778
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:31,039
to ask and a lot of senators can and do

779
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:33,440
feel comfortable asking them

780
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:36,240
but those same people who have

781
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:39,360
recently dipped their toe into the water

782
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:40,320
of

783
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:43,679
ufology so to speak it's going to be

784
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,320
some time i think before they say oh and

785
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,240
after you've gotten us this satellite

786
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:50,640
data i want to ask you about the

787
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:52,000
abduction

788
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:53,919
phenomenon you know what i mean it's

789
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:56,559
it's a bridge too far for these people

790
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:57,679
right now

791
00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:00,559
it's hinted at in some of the material

792
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:02,240
and i mentioned earlier

793
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:05,279
these the these vague references to

794
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:06,960
human effects

795
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:08,720
so it's not as if

796
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:11,760
from time to time people associated with

797
00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:13,679
atip and orsap

798
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:16,720
haven't looked at these claims and they

799
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,840
have been

800
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:19,679
for some

801
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:22,240
years now suspicions that some people

802
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:24,960
associated with these programs

803
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:28,159
probably contractors rather than serving

804
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:30,000
government employees but we don't know

805
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,360
that for sure

806
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:33,360
have for example

807
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:34,880
looked at

808
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,240
people who claim to have had these

809
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:38,960
experiences and said

810
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:42,000
i would like blood samples and dna

811
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:46,080
samples and i believe that has happened

812
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:49,679
um and maybe even implants too

813
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:50,880
but

814
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:52,080
it's still

815
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:57,360
for people on the senate intelligence

816
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:59,519
committee for example to say

817
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:01,279
i want to get into

818
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:02,559
abductions

819
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,120
i don't think i don't see that happening

820
00:33:08,830 --> 00:33:07,679
because i think they're fighting against

821
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:08,840
an

822
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,760
of inertia coming from people within

823
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:15,440
government who are more skeptical about

824
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:16,720
this

825
00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:18,799
and and as i say they're going to start

826
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:22,840
with the easy things and navy pilots

827
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:26,399
seeing ufos when you've got radar and

828
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:29,760
film evidence that's easy abductions not

829
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:34,549
so i guess it's just mainly about the

830
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,399
the more about the crazy factor not

831
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:38,480
necessarily like how do we approach this

832
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:40,399
psychologically

833
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:43,279
yeah it's it's presentational now maybe

834
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:46,240
maybe there will be a bold senator

835
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:47,200
who

836
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:50,799
right out in in

837
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:53,919
public in a televised hearing i i want i

838
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,000
want you to look into this and i want

839
00:34:02,950 --> 00:33:59,039
answers on it but the answers that are

840
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:02,960
likely to come back may may disappoint

841
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:06,000
so so like i say we may we may get into

842
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:06,799
that

843
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:09,119
but i think you can only get into it

844
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:12,720
through the things that are much more

845
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:16,000
squarely the business of of these

846
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,839
various defense and intelligence

847
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:19,440
committees and and like i say when

848
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:21,520
you've got us navy

849
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:23,359
personnel

850
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:24,879
seeing

851
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:28,399
tracking and filming these things it's

852
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:29,520
it's

853
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:31,679
core defense business

854
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:34,240
and people are comfortable about asking

855
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:38,240
for this but but as i say it's it's it's

856
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:39,440
difficult

857
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:40,720
to imagine

858
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:43,040
too many senators saying i want to get

859
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:49,270
so nick i wanted then to ask you uh one

860
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:51,760
more question and then just enough time

861
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:53,520
to give them people start submitting

862
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:57,119
their their questions and um uh

863
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:59,200
basically let me let me give you the

864
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:00,720
question first and then i'll address the

865
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:02,720
audience real quick the question was

866
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:05,119
specifically about um

867
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,839
so

868
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:07,760
from your point of view if you can speak

869
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:10,640
a little bit more than about uh which

870
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,680
i don't know how much you're going to

871
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:13,920
cover at the conference as well it's

872
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:16,960
regarding this french to main um

873
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:19,040
you know aspect can you speak a little

874
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:20,880
bit more on that and

875
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:23,520
i'll let you think about it uh before

876
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:25,839
before then we're going to get into

877
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,760
the q a but basically the question would

878
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:29,520
be more about what else than do you

879
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:31,920
foresee in the future so before nick

880
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:34,000
answers that question i was just want to

881
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:35,680
let everyone else know please go ahead

882
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:38,160
and submit your questions in chat uh

883
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,960
whether you're on twitch or on youtube

884
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:42,960
uh also you can raise your hand on

885
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:45,920
telegram to talk to nick directly and so

886
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:47,920
i'll let nick answer and then we'll get

887
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:51,680
into q a so nick please go ahead

888
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:53,920
thank you well in in my presentation at

889
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:56,480
the ozark mountain ufo conference i'm

890
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:58,960
going to give a sort of an overview of

891
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:00,160
where we are

892
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:03,280
now and how we got here and as i

893
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:05,760
mentioned a moment ago i hope that by

894
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:06,640
then

895
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:08,960
the defense intelligence agency will

896
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:11,440
have declassified and released

897
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:13,119
some of these other

898
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:15,040
documents that i've

899
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:17,680
i've mentioned and that that will

900
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:20,320
will help frame the conversation but one

901
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:22,960
of the other things that i wanted to to

902
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:27,040
talk about and we i'm not in any

903
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:30,000
personal sense but but just a little bit

904
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:32,960
of i suppose national pride

905
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:35,599
being a bread is i wanted to talk about

906
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:36,560
the

907
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:43,920
right now and that

908
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:45,839
even goes

909
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:48,079
back to the terminology being used

910
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:49,839
because it won't have escaped your

911
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,400
attention that that when you look at all

912
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:54,400
this for example in

913
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:55,920
the various

914
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:58,160
bills that have come up

915
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:00,880
in congress you will see that they tend

916
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:03,839
not to use the phrase ufo they use the

917
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:07,680
phrase uap unidentified aerial phenomena

918
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:10,400
and that was something that we

919
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:12,079
we didn't invent the term but we

920
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:14,079
popularized it in the ministry of

921
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:16,320
defense for strategic

922
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:18,320
purposes to

923
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:21,680
to get this subject taken more seriously

924
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:24,320
within government and and so

925
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:26,000
so i want to talk about the british

926
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:29,200
influence and also the influence of a a

927
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:30,880
classified

928
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,800
large parts of it withheld intelligence

929
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:39,040
assessment in the uk called project

930
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:42,320
condyne and also

931
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:45,599
a scientific conference on advanced

932
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:46,800
propulsion

933
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:49,200
and all of those things

934
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:52,000
had an influence to some extent on some

935
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:53,839
of the things that are happening now in

936
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:55,839
in the united states so i wanted you

937
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:58,480
know in my presentation in eureka

938
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:00,960
springs in a few weeks time i'm going to

939
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:02,800
be talking a little bit about

940
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:07,270
great thanks nick

941
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:09,200
all right so let's get into some of the

942
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:11,599
the questions uh so the first question i

943
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:15,119
have is from uh drew and he's in ireland

944
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:18,960
he he says um hi folks uh nick why why

945
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:20,160
are the you

946
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:24,000
why are the uk or maybe why is the uk um

947
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:26,880
denying they have a uap program as it is

948
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:28,880
blatantly obvious they would have one

949
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:30,640
due to their military importance in

950
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:33,280
europe

951
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:36,160
yeah it's an interesting question they

952
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:37,440
of course

953
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:40,640
did have a uap program up until the end

954
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:42,960
of 2009

955
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:46,240
and then they terminated it but many

956
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:49,760
many people think that this is precisely

957
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:51,280
what happened in

958
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:53,839
in the united states that effectively

959
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:57,920
the public side of things got wound up

960
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:00,320
as happened with project bluebook but

961
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:03,599
behind closed doors things were still

962
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,119
going on as congress of course found out

963
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:09,359
when they picked up their their

964
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:12,839
new york times on on december 16

965
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:14,800
2017. so

966
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:16,079
yeah i i

967
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,320
it's difficult the the

968
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:20,400
under secretary of state at the ministry

969
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:22,880
of defense told the british parliament

970
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:24,640
on june 30th

971
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:26,720
last year that they would not be

972
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:31,119
re-engaging on the ufo issue and yet

973
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:35,200
i have heard from fairly reliable

974
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,320
sources

975
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:38,400
very well connected to the uk government

976
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:39,839
that that

977
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:42,480
of course as drew says it's crazy to

978
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:45,119
suggest that if pilots see things and

979
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:48,240
track things on radar in the uk that

980
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:49,839
somebody wouldn't be looking at this

981
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:51,520
somebody clearly is

982
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:54,000
what i think is going on is one of two

983
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:55,040
things

984
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:57,200
either

985
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:01,430
kind of

986
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:04,079
behind closed doors and described as

987
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:06,319
something else so in other words they're

988
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:09,920
not even using the phrase uap let alone

989
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:12,000
ufo they're just using

990
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:15,839
code phrases like unusual aircraft or

991
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:18,400
unconventional drone or something like

992
00:40:23,390 --> 00:40:21,920
that and the other possibility is that

993
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:23,400
that this is now

994
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:27,119
contracted out into the private sector

995
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,119
maybe to a whole bunch of people with

996
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:31,040
security clearances

997
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:32,640
as high as anything you'll find in

998
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:35,440
government who've just just resigned and

999
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:37,280
are working in in some of the big

1000
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:38,400
defense

1001
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:40,960
corporations as a way of

1002
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:43,280
kind of taking this outside the scope of

1003
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:45,839
the freedom of information act so

1004
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:48,560
it's it's a complicated issue there's a

1005
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,960
lot going on behind the scenes

1006
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,400
um

1007
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:54,480
and and i i think that's about all i can

1008
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:56,480
say

1009
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:57,920
great thank you for that

1010
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:59,920
uh the next question is from hazel i

1011
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:01,599
just wanna say hi hazel haven't seen in

1012
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:04,079
a while because she's in spain and so i

1013
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:05,680
don't know amazes me always when people

1014
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:08,160
are that late in europe watching this

1015
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:10,480
live it's i would not be up at 2 30 a.m

1016
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:12,560
in the morning or however late it is but

1017
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:15,760
her question is um does nick think

1018
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:18,480
does nick think it's right uh for that

1019
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:20,720
in for that

1020
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:22,960
does nick think it is right that info

1021
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:24,960
has been withheld for so long from

1022
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:31,829
it depends on what the information is

1023
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:34,880
i mean i think the the

1024
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:37,359
the literal definition when you look at

1025
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:40,160
when you look at the security manuals

1026
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,960
the literal definition of for example

1027
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:44,560
top secret

1028
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:48,400
in the united states is is information

1029
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:51,200
the compromise or release of which would

1030
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:54,240
cause catastrophic damage to the united

1031
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:55,440
states

1032
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:56,480
so

1033
00:42:02,870 --> 00:41:59,920
the the real question is

1034
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:02,880
what ufo information is being withheld

1035
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:05,520
and if it is being withheld

1036
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:07,760
you know are the security

1037
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:08,960
caveats

1038
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:11,760
being properly applied in other words

1039
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:14,160
are people genuinely

1040
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:17,440
withholding information because it would

1041
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:20,000
in the real world cause harm or is it

1042
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:22,000
being withheld just because it's for

1043
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:22,960
example

1044
00:42:27,390 --> 00:42:26,079
politically embarrassing and if if the

1045
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:27,400
answer is

1046
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,839
ufo-related information is being

1047
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:31,440
withheld

1048
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:34,240
because it's politically embarrassing or

1049
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:36,960
because it's just all too difficult then

1050
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:39,520
that is not proper use of the

1051
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:41,359
classification system

1052
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:44,000
but but there may be circumstances where

1053
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:45,680
it's quite proper

1054
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:48,000
to to classify something here's an

1055
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:49,599
example

1056
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:51,440
what if

1057
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:53,680
and i'm speaking hypothetically but what

1058
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:54,880
if

1059
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,839
there is information

1060
00:43:01,430 --> 00:43:00,000
about ufos

1061
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:01,440
that

1062
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:06,000
to

1063
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:08,079
develop technologies

1064
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:09,760
and it's fine for people to say well

1065
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:11,599
shouldn't we have those technologies

1066
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:14,079
absolutely but the moment something is

1067
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:17,359
declassified everyone sees it

1068
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:19,359
you know not just the united states but

1069
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,960
russia china

1070
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:22,640
iran

1071
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:24,240
north korea

1072
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:25,359
isis

1073
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:26,400
um

1074
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:29,040
and and most things let's let's talk

1075
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:30,640
advanced theoretical physics for a

1076
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:31,599
moment

1077
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:33,520
if that's what we're dealing with

1078
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,480
most things that involve high energy

1079
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:38,319
can be weaponized

1080
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:39,280
so

1081
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:45,520
don't have a precise answer to it

1082
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:48,560
because it just depends so completely on

1083
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:50,560
the nature of the information

1084
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:51,680
but

1085
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:55,520
just says

1086
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:57,839
oh let's let's declassify everything no

1087
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:00,079
you've got to think long and hard about

1088
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:02,160
every single piece of

1089
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:04,319
of information and

1090
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:05,680
decide

1091
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:06,480
you know

1092
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:09,839
are there genuine harms

1093
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,280
that might arise from disclosure and i

1094
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:15,440
know that's probably not not what people

1095
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:17,760
want to hear but again that's that's

1096
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:24,390
uh thank you nick um the next question

1097
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:27,200
is from the 5d raven and i'm been

1098
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,119
struggling trying to figure out how what

1099
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:31,440
this actually stands for so i don't know

1100
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:36,000
what it means it says cell cel dot

1101
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:38,480
but anyway the rest of the question is

1102
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:39,359
cell

1103
00:44:43,390 --> 00:44:40,319
honda

1104
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:43,400
hollanda of operation saucer said in

1105
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:45,040
1997

1106
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:47,040
they saw an extraterrestrial flew down

1107
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:49,040
float down the spaceship and beam a red

1108
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,720
light in in

1109
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:53,040
light on their direction and the palm of

1110
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:54,160
his hand

1111
00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:58,800
in 1977 do you believe him

1112
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:02,000
uh i'm not trying to speak

1113
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:04,079
yeah i don't i don't i'm not familiar

1114
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:05,440
with the case

1115
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:08,960
um but if it was properly investigated

1116
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:11,119
then hopefully there's a

1117
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,040
an audit trail of

1118
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:15,839
of documents supporting the the

1119
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,000
investigation and there's a proper chain

1120
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:20,640
of custody i mean of course

1121
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:22,480
nowadays

1122
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,800
we can do so much more i mean technology

1123
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:26,720
people ask me what's the key

1124
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:28,960
to all of this technology technology is

1125
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:30,800
always the key and of course if

1126
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:33,200
something like that happened now

1127
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:34,880
and somebody

1128
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:37,359
certainly was looked at

1129
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:38,720
by anyone

1130
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:41,200
anyone with a government program looking

1131
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:44,079
at this of course there's all sorts of

1132
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:45,520
of

1133
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:46,880
you know

1134
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:48,079
medical

1135
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:50,000
tests that could be

1136
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:52,160
done to to

1137
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:53,520
determine

1138
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:55,760
whether someone had interacted with

1139
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:59,119
something or not and and

1140
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:01,359
yeah so i i'm not sure the details of

1141
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:03,760
that particular case and of course the

1142
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,319
further you go back in time

1143
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:08,640
the more difficult it is but nowadays as

1144
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:11,119
i say with with the technologies

1145
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:13,839
that we have i i think we could do a lot

1146
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:16,640
more with something like that

1147
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:18,880
great thank you for that yeah i saw

1148
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:20,319
later he made a correction it was

1149
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:22,560
supposed to be colonel so uh colonel

1150
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:24,480
hollande i've never heard of this

1151
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:28,000
colonel specifically or personally

1152
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:30,880
the next question is from edgar

1153
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:33,520
saying is there a useful purposeful

1154
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:36,240
outcome you would ideally want to see

1155
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,200
emerge from all these chats happening

1156
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:41,520
channelers secret space programs

1157
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:49,030
well i think

1158
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:50,480
i think the

1159
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:52,480
the outcome

1160
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:55,040
or certainly what i would hope for is is

1161
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:56,400
information

1162
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:59,040
that we don't currently have

1163
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:00,880
now

1164
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:03,599
when when you come to things like

1165
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:06,400
you know channeled information and and

1166
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:09,119
things like that i mean i've seen it's

1167
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:11,920
not my it's not my area of expertise but

1168
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:13,680
i'll be honest with you i've seen a lot

1169
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:15,839
of it and it's it's fairly a lot of it's

1170
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,960
fairly general it's it's you know lots

1171
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:20,240
of sort of

1172
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:24,480
buzz words and phrases about you know

1173
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,359
quantum entanglement and and

1174
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:30,000
raised vibrational levels

1175
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,520
what i would like to see come out is

1176
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:33,599
information and so for example people

1177
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:35,200
can go on to

1178
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:37,040
google

1179
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:39,200
pardon me they yeah they can

1180
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:40,079
search

1181
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,760
phrase like major unsolved problems in

1182
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:47,359
mathematics

1183
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:50,319
or major unsolved problems in computer

1184
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:53,520
science or major unsolved problems in

1185
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,800
physics

1186
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:56,960
there are a lot of them out there

1187
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:00,559
now if somebody is genuinely channeling

1188
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:02,160
some other

1189
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:03,359
entity

1190
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:05,599
who really wants to get our attention

1191
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:08,240
and wants to get us to listen

1192
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:09,920
to their message

1193
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:12,400
what better way than giving us a little

1194
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:15,040
taste of well just to show that i'm

1195
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:18,559
genuine here's the solution to

1196
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:20,640
a computer science

1197
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:24,960
math problem like like p equals np

1198
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:25,680
or

1199
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,920
ones they're all out there some of them

1200
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:31,680
are quite

1201
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:32,880
straightforward and some of the

1202
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:34,559
mathematical proofs

1203
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:38,079
um would be quite concise so what what

1204
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:41,200
do i hope for something like that and

1205
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:44,640
what do i really hope for well

1206
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:45,920
if

1207
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,680
there

1208
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:51,680
timothy ferris

1209
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:53,839
has suggested the

1210
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:55,599
the existence of what he called a

1211
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:58,000
galactic internet the idea that

1212
00:49:01,829 --> 00:49:00,720
civilizations might put out the sum

1213
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:01,839
total

1214
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,160
of their knowledge broadcast it out into

1215
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:06,880
space well what if we could

1216
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:09,440
you know pick up those signals and

1217
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:12,960
download them and decipher them

1218
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:15,119
we would literally have i suppose a sort

1219
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:18,559
of encyclopedia galactica

1220
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:21,119
and wouldn't that be a fascinating

1221
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:23,839
thing to read i mean the sum total of

1222
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:25,760
not only not you know people talk about

1223
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:27,680
the sum total of human knowledge but

1224
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:30,800
just imagine the sum total of knowledge

1225
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,240
from multiple civilizations

1226
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:36,480
out there that might in some cases have

1227
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,040
a billion year head start on us could we

1228
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:41,359
understand it i don't know

1229
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,880
but my goodness it would be interesting

1230
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:44,480
to try and

1231
00:49:49,589 --> 00:49:46,800
and i said technology is the key

1232
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:49,599
whether it's it's looking in the

1233
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:52,079
the sort of visual

1234
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:55,040
level or infrared say like james webb or

1235
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:57,200
whether it's the next generation of

1236
00:50:02,309 --> 00:50:00,000
radio telescopes like i say technology

1237
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,319
is the key we're almost at the point

1238
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:04,800
where we have the tools in our hands

1239
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:06,720
that if there are civilizations out

1240
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:08,079
there

1241
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:14,950
great thank you for that nick uh the

1242
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:17,680
next question is from paulie he's coming

1243
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:18,400
in

1244
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:19,280
through

1245
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:21,920
telegram paulie you are unmuted in my

1246
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,160
end please i meet you and yours and ask

1247
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:26,559
your question

1248
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:29,119
hey there mr pope uh we met actually in

1249
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:31,040
ucars in los angeles i remember you gave

1250
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:32,800
an interesting speech and i think you

1251
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,720
talked about a poster

1252
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:36,720
or a picture you saw and then

1253
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:38,800
when they released the picture to the

1254
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,880
media it was like blurred down so much

1255
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:43,200
it looked like little fake anyway

1256
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:46,160
my question for you is um

1257
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:48,400
works but like i only speak english and

1258
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:50,720
i guess i get the news from

1259
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:52,559
you know mostly probably nato countries

1260
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:53,680
and stuff like that but are there

1261
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:55,359
countries out there that maybe are off

1262
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:57,440
script and they talk more openly about

1263
00:51:01,990 --> 00:50:59,040
it maybe in

1264
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:02,000
you know south america or africa where

1265
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:03,839
maybe little countries where they take a

1266
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:05,280
completely different stance and they

1267
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:06,480
talk about it

1268
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:07,520
and uh

1269
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:08,880
maybe the people that live in those

1270
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:11,119
communities our country have a different

1271
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:12,800
perception than we do

1272
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:14,319
thanks

1273
00:51:17,830 --> 00:51:17,520
yeah

1274
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:17,840
um

1275
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:19,920
[Music]

1276
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:22,400
we there are problems

1277
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:25,440
absolutely in in

1278
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:27,760
finding out what other nations think

1279
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:31,040
about this whether it's in terms of what

1280
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:35,119
government programs there might be

1281
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:36,960
or whether it's in terms of what the

1282
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:38,880
people the ordinary people in those

1283
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:40,319
countries are

1284
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:43,680
seeing experiencing and what they think

1285
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:47,520
about all this and in some cultures

1286
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:49,440
in some nations

1287
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:51,839
pardon me for for religious and cultural

1288
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:52,800
reasons

1289
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:56,559
it's maybe not as easy to speak out

1290
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:57,839
about this

1291
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:00,640
as as it is in in

1292
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:03,599
the west i mean i i suspect that in in

1293
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:05,680
parts of the middle east and

1294
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:07,680
and in in

1295
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:09,599
various parts of africa

1296
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:10,640
it's

1297
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:16,160
to have these discussions south america

1298
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:19,359
is very open about this and they do talk

1299
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:21,599
about it quite a lot and they they have

1300
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:23,760
some similarities and some apparent

1301
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:24,960
differences

1302
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,720
with with the sorts of

1303
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:28,240
reports and

1304
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:30,319
and things that we we have in the united

1305
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,640
states the uk and some of the european

1306
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:34,960
nations and that's interesting and it

1307
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:37,520
poses the question are different things

1308
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:38,800
going on

1309
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:40,880
or are they just being seen and

1310
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:42,400
interpreted

1311
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:44,400
through a different

1312
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:46,720
cultural lens

1313
00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:48,559
and i think somebody's somebody's

1314
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:50,800
background their language their culture

1315
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:53,359
their belief system always are going to

1316
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:54,960
play a part in

1317
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:57,040
defining how people

1318
00:53:01,750 --> 00:53:00,079
interpret and describe their experiences

1319
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:01,760
but it's it's a

1320
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:03,599
it's a fascinating question we haven't

1321
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:05,520
got to the bottom of it and in some

1322
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:07,280
cases of course

1323
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:09,040
like russia and china

1324
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:11,119
with the government programs it's the

1325
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:13,440
secrecy that's that's a problem we know

1326
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,359
for example that china and russia do

1327
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:17,440
have programs looking at this

1328
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:19,920
but we don't know what they've

1329
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:21,200
found

1330
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:22,400
we do know

1331
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:25,040
from a fairly recent revelation that

1332
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:28,720
china is using artificial intelligence

1333
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:30,079
to try to

1334
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:32,720
solve the ufo mystery

1335
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:34,800
and some people in congress are very

1336
00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:36,319
concerned that

1337
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:38,240
china might be ahead of us

1338
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:40,800
in in the us on ai

1339
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:43,520
and that this might enable them to make

1340
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:46,480
a a breakthrough that that we don't make

1341
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:48,160
and i know you know i know a lot of

1342
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:50,000
people who take a more spiritual and new

1343
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:52,160
age view of this will be saying oh this

1344
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:54,640
is all very disappointing um

1345
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:56,400
you know nationalism

1346
00:54:00,790 --> 00:53:59,599
as per usual um yeah uh unfortunately

1347
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:00,800
that's that's

1348
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:03,440
where we're at with this but uh

1349
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:04,559
it's it's

1350
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:06,559
it's an interesting question

1351
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:08,079
there are differences there are

1352
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:10,000
similarities and there are still a lot

1353
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:15,750
thank you nick um well fps as if you

1354
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:18,400
know you know as as you've noticed the

1355
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:20,800
the audience of youfub is very diverse

1356
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:23,119
so um the next question that i have i'm

1357
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:25,200
not quite sure if you can speak to this

1358
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:27,440
but you know if you can great if not

1359
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:29,839
we'll move on to something else but this

1360
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:31,760
one is from star brother

1361
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:32,800
asking

1362
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:35,520
what's the galactic federation answer to

1363
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:38,720
if russia attacks kiev if putin

1364
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:40,559
decides to

1365
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:42,400
invade ukraine

1366
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:48,390
well i

1367
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,319
firstly i don't even know if there is a

1368
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:52,319
galactic federation i mean i like to

1369
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:54,000
think that if there are other

1370
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:55,680
civilizations out there that they've

1371
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:58,240
probably come together in some sort of

1372
00:55:02,309 --> 00:55:00,720
coordinating body but we you know we

1373
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:02,319
really don't know that of course it's

1374
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:04,880
just speculation um

1375
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:06,880
looking at human history

1376
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:11,280
we have not previously seen

1377
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:14,160
you know direct intervention to stop

1378
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:16,799
wars or anything uh so i suspect that

1379
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:20,079
all that would happen is that if if we

1380
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:22,559
do get war in ukraine

1381
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:23,359
that

1382
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:25,760
other civilizations would

1383
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:27,520
would watch and

1384
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:28,799
probably

1385
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:29,839
you know

1386
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:32,720
disapprove and say those darned humans

1387
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:34,400
are at it again

1388
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:36,799
you know with with their killing each

1389
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:38,640
other and

1390
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:41,440
and if there is a galactic federation

1391
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:43,119
you know perhaps we'll only get an

1392
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:44,720
invitation

1393
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:47,280
to join it when we get beyond

1394
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:48,960
that sort of behavior

1395
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:52,720
it's all speculation but there you are

1396
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:54,559
great thank you nick so the last

1397
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:56,079
question i'm going to take before we

1398
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:59,119
finish up is from stefan king

1399
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:00,799
asking do you think it's right for

1400
00:56:09,310 --> 00:56:08,950
well i'm not a fan of censorship

1401
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:09,320
um

1402
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:10,559
[Music]

1403
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:12,400
you know

1404
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:14,559
in in any

1405
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:16,559
way shape or form and i i think we've

1406
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:18,319
seen far too much

1407
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:20,240
um censorship

1408
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:21,839
cancel culture

1409
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:25,680
um things things like that uh i take a

1410
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:27,839
very libertarian

1411
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:31,119
view on on this put the information out

1412
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:33,520
there and let people make up their own

1413
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:34,559
minds

1414
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,200
that's my view now i obviously if

1415
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:39,599
somebody is leaking something that is

1416
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:42,079
genuinely classified i mean going off

1417
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:44,559
the subject of ufos but you know if

1418
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:45,599
somebody

1419
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:46,640
leaks

1420
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:49,280
uh this is how to

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you know build

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build a

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you know nuclear bomb i mean i think

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there's a legitimate case for saying

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let's let's try and take that down but

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but when it comes when it comes to

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particularly when it comes to people's

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opinions

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you know whether it's about

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politics or

1431
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religion or any aspect of society or

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whether it's about ufos don't censor

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anyone

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for their

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points of view even if they're minority

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views even if they're unpopular views i

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i think it was

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voltaire who who said i i may disagree

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with you but i will defend to the death

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00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:37,440
you're right to say it you know i'm i'm

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00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:39,440
misquoting but you get the sense of it

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so

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generally a fan of

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of censorship put it out there and put

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your views out there even if they're

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00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:51,440
unpopular

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let let people decide for themselves

1448
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great well nick thank you very much i

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really appreciate it uh for those of you

1450
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watching uh uh take the opportunity to

1451
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:06,960
come and see nick in person in eureka

1452
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:09,760
springs during the ozark mountain ufo

1453
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:12,000
conference that will be happening in

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00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:15,520
april uh from april 8th till 10th

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and um also if you would like to take a

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00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:21,040
chance you could potentially win two

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00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:24,160
tickets from ufo hub if you simply

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00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:26,319
comment and like any of the videos

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00:58:31,870 --> 00:58:28,960
leading up to march 9th with a hashtag

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in the comments section um

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ozark2022

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and uh all the other relevant links are

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in the description below uh links to

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nick's website directly links to all

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00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:43,839
nick's books on amazon r is in the

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00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:45,280
description as well

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and so nick to finish up i'm going to

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leave you with your last word before we

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sign off if you would like to finish up

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with the final message

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certainly well firstly thank you for

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hosting this discussion for asking your

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questions and moderating everyone else's

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00:59:09,349 --> 00:59:05,760
it's been very nice to reconnect with

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00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:09,359
you and i hope people watching this

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00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:10,400
either

1477
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:13,839
live or or dipping into it later

1478
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:16,240
find it interesting and and thought

1479
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:19,359
provoking and for those of you who are

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00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:21,920
planning to come to the ozark mountain

1481
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:23,200
ufo

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00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:24,319
conference

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00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:27,440
we will be in person and

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00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:29,200
it's great to be

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00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:31,280
back

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the world is is returning to normal i

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will be

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00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:44,319
presentation and i will happily hang out

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00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:47,200
with you all and answer your questions

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00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:49,359
and i very much look forward to seeing

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00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:52,000
you all there thank you

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00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:53,520
well there you have it

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nick sigtite and everyone else watching